tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-24484085991204430382024-03-22T04:15:02.937+08:00Deconstructing the MonkeyThe conversion of Reformed, Emergent/ging and Neo-Charismatic reflections on Church, Theology, Spirituality and Culture With the Intention of Deconstructing the Monkey by a 4th generation Kelabit ChristianTremontihttp://www.blogger.com/profile/07864105513148857028noreply@blogger.comBlogger234125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2448408599120443038.post-10145363386576719922015-04-07T22:21:00.001+08:002015-04-07T22:21:40.865+08:00Palm Sounds: Wait listModstep should be there on the list I think. http://modstep.net/Tremontihttp://www.blogger.com/profile/07864105513148857028noreply@blogger.com0tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2448408599120443038.post-33278398703629650082009-08-07T00:52:00.003+08:002009-08-07T01:05:13.167+08:00Moving...<div style="text-align: justify;"><span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-size:medium;"><span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-family:verdana;">Dear readers,</span></span></div><div style="text-align: justify;"><span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-size:medium;"><span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-family:verdana;"><br /></span></span></div><div style="text-align: justify;"><span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-size:medium;"><span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-family:verdana;">Thanks for taking the time to read thoughts and ideas that I've scribbled down with my keyboard. This would be my last post on this site. But i'm not saying goodbye to blogging. I'm moving to a site that someone who was kind enough to help me out. I think they call it blog hosting. I'm not a tech person just a simple guy with words and sentences to spare and share. Here is the new site of </span></span><a href="http://jon.active.my/"><span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-size:medium;"><span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-family:verdana;">Deconstructing The Monkey</span></span></a><span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-size:medium;"><span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-family:verdana;">. Hope to see you there! </span></span></div><div><br /></div><div><br /></div><div><br /></div><a href="http://www.fret12.com/" target="_blank"><img border="0" src="http://www.fret12.com/images/downloads/banner_468_60.gif" /></a>Tremontihttp://www.blogger.com/profile/07864105513148857028noreply@blogger.com2tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2448408599120443038.post-63692661115413207252009-08-04T01:47:00.003+08:002009-08-04T01:56:08.312+08:00OT (made simple): Something about Narrative 1<a onblur="try {parent.deselectBloggerImageGracefully();} catch(e) {}" href="http://www.lovingdove.com/bible/old_tstmnt.jpg"><img style="display:block; margin:0px auto 10px; text-align:center;cursor:pointer; cursor:hand;width: 400px; height: 292px;" src="http://www.lovingdove.com/bible/old_tstmnt.jpg" border="0" alt="" /></a><br /><div><div><span class="Apple-style-span" style=" ;font-size:small;"><span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-family:verdana;">The bulk of the OT is made up of narratives or in story form (there are alot of sticky issues but lets not go there for the moment haha). But not that it has anything to do with <span class="blsp-spelling-corrected" id="SPELLING_ERROR_0">fairy tales</span> for that matter. A working definition for understanding OT narrative would be, <b><i>stories with a particular intent with a </i></b><b>"</b></span></span><i><span class="Apple-style-span" style=" ;font-size:small;"><span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-family:verdana;"><b>retelling of historical events of the past that are intended to have meaning and direction for a given people in the present</b></span></span></i><span class="Apple-style-span" style=" ;font-size:small;"><span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-family:verdana;"><b>."</b></span></span></div><div><span class="Apple-style-span" style=" ;font-size:small;"><span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-family:verdana;"><br /></span></span></div><div><span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-family:verdana;"><br /></span></div><div><span class="Apple-style-span" style=" ;font-size:small;"><span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-family:verdana;">As mentioned above, narratives tells about things of the past. One can divide narratives into three parts: </span></span></div><div><ol><li><b><span class="Apple-style-span" style=" ;font-size:small;"><span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-family:verdana;">Character:</span></span></b><span class="Apple-style-span" style=" ;font-size:small;"><span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-family:verdana;"> protagonist (primary character), antagonist (conflict bringer), <span class="blsp-spelling-error" id="SPELLING_ERROR_1">agonist</span> (major character who gets involved in the struggle) </span></span></li><li><b><span class="Apple-style-span" style=" ;font-size:small;"><span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-family:verdana;">Plot</span></span></b></li><li><b><span class="Apple-style-span" style=" ;font-size:small;"><span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-family:verdana;">Plot Resolution</span></span></b></li></ol><div><span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-family:verdana;"><br /></span></div><div><span class="Apple-style-span" style=" ;font-size:small;"><span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-family:verdana;">Now moving on to explaining plots, lets gain some perspective in understanding <b>the basic plot of the biblical story. </b></span></span></div><div><ol><li><span class="Apple-style-span" style=" ;font-size:small;"><span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-family:verdana;">God created people in his own image and thus they became his image bearers who were given stewardship of the earth which was created for their pleasure. </span></span></li><li><span class="Apple-style-span" style=" ;font-size:small;"><span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-family:verdana;">Enter the enemy, and what he did was made humans conform to his 'image' instead and thus made humans to become God's enemy. </span></span></li><li><span class="Apple-style-span" style=" ;font-size:small;"><span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-family:verdana;">Following this is the long story of redemption of how God rescues his people from the enemies clutches and restores them back to his image and then finally restores them to the new heavens and new earth. </span></span></li></ol></div></div><div><br /></div></div><div><br /></div><a href="http://www.fret12.com/" target="_blank"><img border="0" src="http://www.fret12.com/images/downloads/banner_468_60.gif" /></a>Tremontihttp://www.blogger.com/profile/07864105513148857028noreply@blogger.com7tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2448408599120443038.post-14065274656072802812009-08-03T22:45:00.005+08:002009-08-04T00:35:28.439+08:00Reading transitions<a onblur="try {parent.deselectBloggerImageGracefully();} catch(e) {}" href="http://www.artsjournal.com/bookdaddy/Home_Photo_books.jpg"><img style="display:block; margin:0px auto 10px; text-align:center;cursor:pointer; cursor:hand;width: 311px; height: 362px;" src="http://www.artsjournal.com/bookdaddy/Home_Photo_books.jpg" border="0" alt="" /></a><br /><div><span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-family:verdana;"><span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-size: small;">I only started reading (books that did not have pictures in them), really reading when i hit 20 and that was after my conversion (they call it) to Christianity (being a follower of Jesus). But i started reading stuff by Benny <span class="blsp-spelling-error" id="SPELLING_ERROR_0">Hinn</span>, Kenneth <span class="blsp-spelling-error" id="SPELLING_ERROR_1">Hagin</span>, Roberts <span class="blsp-spelling-error" id="SPELLING_ERROR_2">Liardon</span> to name a few. I was into all things charismatic. But when i <span class="blsp-spelling-corrected" id="SPELLING_ERROR_3">entered</span> bible school, the books there were not unlike any kind of books you could find in bookstores (at least where <span class="blsp-spelling-error" id="SPELLING_ERROR_4">im</span> from). My lecturers made us read systematic theology and books on OT and NT survey. Being new and just started to <span class="blsp-spelling-corrected" id="SPELLING_ERROR_5">reading</span> the space of 4 years, it looked an impossible feat especially with my steady diet of charismatic bent books. But it was <span class="blsp-spelling-corrected" id="SPELLING_ERROR_6">really</span> amazing that there was a transition from reading a somewhat dented diet of <span class="blsp-spelling-corrected" id="SPELLING_ERROR_7">rash</span> theology to stuff that were of <span class="blsp-spelling-corrected" id="SPELLING_ERROR_8">substantial</span> substance. But then it took a while for me to get my hands on stuff by N. T. Wright, <span class="blsp-spelling-error" id="SPELLING_ERROR_9">Vanhoozer</span>, Richard Hays, <span class="blsp-spelling-error" id="SPELLING_ERROR_10">Miroslav</span> <span class="blsp-spelling-error" id="SPELLING_ERROR_11">Volf</span>, Scot McKnight to name a few. Forking out money for these books was the hard part but it was something that was needed (especially in the world of theological studies). But reading theological books take a lot of work (especially for this reader), <span class="blsp-spelling-error" id="SPELLING_ERROR_12">i'm</span> still trying my best to read through <span class="blsp-spelling-error" id="SPELLING_ERROR_13">Vanhoozers</span> book (that is sort of the curse if you start reading too late!). I'm wondering if there are people out there who went through some sort of reading transition in their life as well.</span></span></div><div><br /></div><div><br /></div><div><a href="http://www.fret12.com/" target="_blank"><img border="0" src="http://www.fret12.com/images/downloads/banner_468_60.gif" /></a></div>Tremontihttp://www.blogger.com/profile/07864105513148857028noreply@blogger.com2tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2448408599120443038.post-5665237615869534202009-08-01T12:44:00.006+08:002009-08-02T00:13:18.542+08:00A joyful crucible<a onblur="try {parent.deselectBloggerImageGracefully();} catch(e) {}" href="https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/img/b/R29vZ2xl/AVvXsEj7WdEgyN99ADQhhR3k2e4MhCcBYYK3pb75HEgs5lQdVqLSGBckum6lgU0XYmWvWh_jfsOFl8DhX5yrJVKNrlDc5hMrJ88tt9_VQBwiYJSltxeHOEziSURR3bjskPUihWkXWiAvRlOzzsRs/s1600-h/tat.jpg"><img style="display:block; margin:0px auto 10px; text-align:center;cursor:pointer; cursor:hand;width: 150px; height: 200px;" src="https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/img/b/R29vZ2xl/AVvXsEj7WdEgyN99ADQhhR3k2e4MhCcBYYK3pb75HEgs5lQdVqLSGBckum6lgU0XYmWvWh_jfsOFl8DhX5yrJVKNrlDc5hMrJ88tt9_VQBwiYJSltxeHOEziSURR3bjskPUihWkXWiAvRlOzzsRs/s200/tat.jpg" border="0" alt="" id="BLOGGER_PHOTO_ID_5364872450831090498" /></a><span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-size:small;"><span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-family:verdana;"><br /></span></span><div><span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-size:small;"><span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-family:verdana;">Each day begins as a </span></span><span class="blsp-spelling-corrected" id="SPELLING_ERROR_0"><span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-size:small;"><span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-family:verdana;">reflection</span></span></span><span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-size:small;"><span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-family:verdana;"> for a disciple, a constant internal wrestling of the will, a reflection of whether following Jesus means a joyful escapade of exiting adventures and lasting fulfillment or a pathway that leads to a crucible path into the scorns of afflictions. </span></span></div><div><span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-size:small;"><span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-family:verdana;"><br /></span></span></div><div><span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-size:small;"><span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-family:verdana;">Some say following Jesus changed their lives for the better. Some testify that having Jesus in their life has given then peace in a world raging in havoc. Some say that when they have Jesus, they are blessed </span></span><span class="blsp-spelling-corrected" id="SPELLING_ERROR_1"><span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-size:small;"><span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-family:verdana;">materially</span></span></span><span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-size:small;"><span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-family:verdana;"> and that life seems like a steady flow of outpouring blessing that depicts a stream flowing and </span></span><span class="blsp-spelling-corrected" id="SPELLING_ERROR_2"><span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-size:small;"><span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-family:verdana;">steering</span></span></span><span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-size:small;"><span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-family:verdana;"> them to paths always filled with green pastures. A life </span></span><span class="blsp-spelling-corrected" id="SPELLING_ERROR_3"><span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-size:small;"><span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-family:verdana;">that's</span></span></span><span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-size:small;"><span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-family:verdana;"> void of hardship and pain. After all Christ died instead of them for sins that were supposed to condemn them to the gallows of death. But now, it's all a steady flow of blessing because God ultimately sees us in Jesus. </span></span></div><div><span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-size:small;"><span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-family:verdana;"><br /></span></span></div><div><span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-size:small;"><span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-family:verdana;">But is this what following Jesus entails? Does this reflect a theology that is close to what it means to be a disciple of Jesus? I think too much of our teachings stem for the spring of what i </span></span><span class="blsp-spelling-corrected" id="SPELLING_ERROR_4"><span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-size:small;"><span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-family:verdana;">mentioned</span></span></span><span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-size:small;"><span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-family:verdana;"> above. Most of our daily inspiration and preconceived ideas are directed to a meaning or passage of blessing that entails bliss forevermore. And because of that we </span></span><span class="blsp-spelling-corrected" id="SPELLING_ERROR_5"><span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-size:small;"><span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-family:verdana;">crucify</span></span></span><span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-size:small;"><span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-family:verdana;"> to death the meaning of following Jesus. </span></span></div><div><span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-size:small;"><span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-family:verdana;"><br /></span></span></div><div><span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-size:small;"><span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-family:verdana;">I think in my own reflection, in the walk of following Jesus, the best description i can use to describe how it feels on an experience basis is a joyful crucible. It is a parody really. The meshing of joy and pain married together that we do not have enough words to convey meaning to this experience. There is really true joy and peace that one experiences when one meets Jesus and seeks to walk faithfully with him. But another side of the coin is the constant tug of pain that a complicated spheres of life can dent the best disciple to probing questions filled with <span class="blsp-spelling-corrected" id="SPELLING_ERROR_0">angst</span> on how to <span class="blsp-spelling-corrected" id="SPELLING_ERROR_1">develop</span> a hopeful trust. </span></span></div><div><span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-size:small;"><span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-family:verdana;"><br /></span></span></div><div><span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-size:small;"><span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-family:verdana;">That is why the only 'logical' side of understanding life is the obedient outflow of meaningless obedience that would eventually be <span class="blsp-spelling-corrected" id="SPELLING_ERROR_2">revealed</span> and vindicated in Jesus in the <span class="blsp-spelling-corrected" id="SPELLING_ERROR_3">Resurrection</span> of our bodies. As the experience of getting the tattoo above would depict it is a joyful crucible indeed. </span></span></div><div><span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-size:small;"><span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-family:verdana;"><br /></span></span></div><div><br /></div><div><br /></div><a href="http://www.fret12.com/" target="_blank"><img border="0" src="http://www.fret12.com/images/downloads/banner_468_60.gif" /></a>Tremontihttp://www.blogger.com/profile/07864105513148857028noreply@blogger.com3tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2448408599120443038.post-85504316522067416162009-07-30T00:04:00.004+08:002009-07-30T00:34:09.901+08:00OT: Reading with the modern mind or some other way?<a onblur="try {parent.deselectBloggerImageGracefully();} catch(e) {}" href="http://www.huffingtonpost.com/huff-wires/20090506/ml-israel-plundered-scroll/images/afe590e3-0330-4771-aeec-50fbb714973c.jpg"><img style="display:block; margin:0px auto 10px; text-align:center;cursor:pointer; cursor:hand;width: 512px; height: 376px;" src="http://www.huffingtonpost.com/huff-wires/20090506/ml-israel-plundered-scroll/images/afe590e3-0330-4771-aeec-50fbb714973c.jpg" border="0" alt="" /></a><span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-size:small;"><span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-family:verdana;"><br /></span></span><div><span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-size:small;"><span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-family:verdana;">I'm doing a course on Old Testament survey and we were in a discussion on whether it was possible, using our modern minds to <span class="blsp-spelling-error" id="SPELLING_ERROR_0">exegete</span> the text scientifically, that is reading the text with modern bearings, that the <span class="blsp-spelling-corrected" id="SPELLING_ERROR_1">Israelites</span> were able to cross the Red Sea (<span class="blsp-spelling-error" id="SPELLING_ERROR_2">i'll</span> not get into details about the Reed sea debate)? </span></span></div><div><span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-size:small;"><span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-family:verdana;"><br /></span></span></div><div><span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-size:small;"><span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-family:verdana;">Some scholars <span class="blsp-spelling-error" id="SPELLING_ERROR_3">contend</span> that the number of <span class="blsp-spelling-corrected" id="SPELLING_ERROR_4">Israelites</span>, if there were millions of them, it would be impossible for them to cross the Red sea in the space of hours but it might take a week for them to do so. (Sorry I haven't got the time to cite the <span class="blsp-spelling-corrected" id="SPELLING_ERROR_5">references</span> of where i got these facts. I'll probably do explanation when i have free time to spare)</span></span></div><div><span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-size:small;"><span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-family:verdana;"><br /></span></span></div><div><span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-size:small;"><span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-family:verdana;">But let me just pose a few questions on this. </span></span><b><span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-size:small;"><span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-family:verdana;">Should we use modern ways to read some portions or the whole of the Old Testament?</span></span></b><span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-size:small;"><span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-family:verdana;"> Modern as in reading them in the way we read historical books now, where facts are studied and chosen and weighed to determine whether they are real or not. </span></span></div><div><span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-size:small;"><span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-family:verdana;"><br /></span></span></div><div><span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-size:small;"><span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-family:verdana;">For the moment though, I lean towards trying to understand the OT in the manner how someone in that particular era understood things. Take for example missionaries who come from developed countries and they work among tribal groups who live in the jungle. If the wanted to communicate Christianity with these people, do you think it <span class="blsp-spelling-corrected" id="SPELLING_ERROR_6">necessary</span> for them go tell these people about the original <span class="blsp-spelling-corrected" id="SPELLING_ERROR_7">Greek</span> language of a certain word, or talk to these people about science and religion? I think these people would be scratching their heads and wondering what on earth these missionaries are talking about. </span></span></div><div><span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-size:small;"><span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-family:verdana;"><br /></span></span></div><div><span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-size:small;"><span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-family:verdana;">I think it is more rewarding to read an ancient text, not to look </span></span><b><span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-size:small;"><span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-family:verdana;">too much</span></span></b><span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-size:small;"><span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-family:verdana;"> into how they relate scientifically (although in some cases this is needed), or factually (in the manner of <span class="blsp-spelling-corrected" id="SPELLING_ERROR_8">archaeological</span> discoveries). Another way to appreciate the ancient text is also to read them in a way that we try to dig out their theological bearings or meanings. The bible is first and <span class="blsp-spelling-corrected" id="SPELLING_ERROR_9">foremost</span>, after all, a book telling us about God and his story. </span></span></div><div><br /></div><div><br /></div><div><br /></div><a href="http://www.fret12.com/" target="_blank"><img border="0" src="http://www.fret12.com/images/downloads/banner_468_60.gif" /></a>Tremontihttp://www.blogger.com/profile/07864105513148857028noreply@blogger.com8tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2448408599120443038.post-32838304134538669532009-07-24T19:55:00.003+08:002009-07-30T00:35:39.685+08:00Scot Mcknight Interview Part 1 & 2<div><span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-family: Arial; font-size: 10px; white-space: pre; "><object width="480" height="295"><param name="movie" value="http://www.youtube.com/v/FstTqAUxzho&hl=en&fs=1&"></param><param name="allowFullScreen" value="true"></param><param name="allowscriptaccess" value="always"></param><embed src="http://www.youtube.com/v/FstTqAUxzho&hl=en&fs=1&" type="application/x-shockwave-flash" allowscriptaccess="always" allowfullscreen="true" width="480" height="295"></embed></object></span></div><div><br /></div><div><span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-family: Arial; font-size: 10px; white-space: pre; "><object width="480" height="295"><param name="movie" value="http://www.youtube.com/v/AeMzhVDybBI&hl=en&fs=1&"></param><param name="allowFullScreen" value="true"></param><param name="allowscriptaccess" value="always"></param><embed src="http://www.youtube.com/v/AeMzhVDybBI&hl=en&fs=1&" type="application/x-shockwave-flash" allowscriptaccess="always" allowfullscreen="true" width="480" height="295"></embed></object></span></div><div><br /></div><div><br /></div><div><br /></div><div><br /></div><div><a href="http://www.fret12.com/" target="_blank"><img border="0" src="http://www.fret12.com/images/downloads/banner_468_60.gif" /></a></div>Tremontihttp://www.blogger.com/profile/07864105513148857028noreply@blogger.com2tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2448408599120443038.post-44925048500737040522009-07-24T18:35:00.003+08:002009-07-24T18:50:41.585+08:00Another side pluralism in Malaysia<a onblur="try {parent.deselectBloggerImageGracefully();} catch(e) {}" href="http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/2/28/P_religion_world.svg/400px-P_religion_world.svg.png"><img style="display:block; margin:0px auto 10px; text-align:center;cursor:pointer; cursor:hand;width: 400px; height: 360px;" src="http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/2/28/P_religion_world.svg/400px-P_religion_world.svg.png" border="0" alt="" /></a><br /><div><br /></div><div><br /></div><div>A blog post that talks about the religious situation in Malaysia. Interesting things to reflect and think about. Follow this <a href="http://libertysentinel.wordpress.com/2009/07/14/sacrilegious-acts-by-unbelieving-spies-in-church/#more-150">link</a>.</div><div><br /></div><div><br /></div><a href="http://www.fret12.com/" target="_blank"><img border="0" src="http://www.fret12.com/images/downloads/banner_468_60.gif" /></a>Tremontihttp://www.blogger.com/profile/07864105513148857028noreply@blogger.com0tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2448408599120443038.post-9026070162853375352009-07-19T18:29:00.006+08:002009-07-19T18:55:21.937+08:00Jesus' Return & Hell<div><span class="Apple-style-span" style="line-height: 19px; "><span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-size:small;"><span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-family:verdana;"><span class="Apple-style-span" style=""><span class="Apple-style-span" style="color: rgb(192, 192, 192);">Two blog posts that i found helpful, both written by Klyne Snodgrass on Jesus' return and hell. Here are some exerpts that should whet your appetite. </span></span></span></span></span></div><div><span class="Apple-style-span" style="line-height: 19px; "><span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-size:small;"><span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-family:verdana;"><span class="Apple-style-span" style=""><span class="Apple-style-span" style="color: rgb(192, 192, 192);"><br /></span></span></span></span></span></div><div><span class="Apple-style-span" style="line-height: 19px; "><a href="http://blog.bible.org/primetimejesus/content/jesus-and-his-return"><span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-size:small;"><span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-family:verdana;"><span class="Apple-style-span" style=""><span class="Apple-style-span" style="color: rgb(192, 192, 192);">Jesus and his Return</span></span></span></span></a></span></div><div><span class="Apple-style-span" style="line-height: 19px; "><span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-size:small;"><span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-family:verdana;"><span class="Apple-style-span" style=""><span class="Apple-style-span" style="color: rgb(192, 192, 192);">"...I like N. T. Wright’s recent book </span></span></span></span><i><span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-size:small;"><span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-family:verdana;"><span class="Apple-style-span" style=""><span class="Apple-style-span" style="color: rgb(192, 192, 192);">Surprised By Hope: Rethinking Heaven, the Resurrection, And the Mission of the Church</span></span></span></span></i><span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-size:small;"><span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-family:verdana;"><span class="Apple-style-span" style=""><span class="Apple-style-span" style="color: rgb(192, 192, 192);"> (HarperOne, 2008), but as with his earlier work </span></span></span></span><i><span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-size:small;"><span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-family:verdana;"><span class="Apple-style-span" style=""><span class="Apple-style-span" style="color: rgb(192, 192, 192);">Jesus and the Victory of God</span></span></span></span></i><span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-size:small;"><span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-family:verdana;"><span class="Apple-style-span" style=""><span class="Apple-style-span" style="color: rgb(192, 192, 192);">(Fortress, 1996), his view of Jesus’ eschatological teaching is unsatisfactory. In </span></span></span></span><i><span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-size:small;"><span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-family:verdana;"><span class="Apple-style-span" style=""><span class="Apple-style-span" style="color: rgb(192, 192, 192);">Surprised By Hope</span></span></span></span></i><span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-size:small;"><span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-family:verdana;"><span class="Apple-style-span" style=""><span class="Apple-style-span" style="color: rgb(192, 192, 192);"> Wright states baldly that during his earthly ministry Jesus said nothing about his return. Did Wright confine himself to the Synoptics—if that were his intent—and ignore Johhn 14:3, 18, and 28?.... "</span></span></span></span></span><span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-size:small;"><span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-family:verdana;"><span class="Apple-style-span" style=""><span class="Apple-style-span" style="color: rgb(192, 192, 192);"><br /></span></span></span></span></div><div><span class="Apple-style-span" style="line-height: 19px; "><span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-size:small;"><span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-family:verdana;"><span class="Apple-style-span" style=""><span class="Apple-style-span" style="color: rgb(192, 192, 192);"><br /></span></span></span></span></span></div><div><span class="Apple-style-span" style="line-height: 19px; "><a href="http://blog.bible.org/primetimejesus/content/jesus-and-%2526quot;hell%2526quot;"><span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-size:small;"><span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-family:verdana;"><span class="Apple-style-span" style=""><span class="Apple-style-span" style="color: rgb(192, 192, 192);">Jesus and Hell</span></span></span></span></a></span></div><div><span class="Apple-style-span" style="color: rgb(90, 90, 90); line-height: 19px;font-family:Arial;font-size:12px;"><span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-size:small;"><span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-family:verdana;"><span class="Apple-style-span" style=""><span class="Apple-style-span" style="color: rgb(192, 192, 192);">"...My concern is to stress that we know far less from Scripture about "hell" than most Christians think. If asked if I believe in hell, I often respond that I believe in </span></span></span></span><i><span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-size:small;"><span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-family:verdana;"><span class="Apple-style-span" style=""><span class="Apple-style-span" style="color: rgb(192, 192, 192);">gehenna</span></span></span></span></i><span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-size:small;"><span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-family:verdana;"><span class="Apple-style-span" style=""><span class="Apple-style-span" style="color: rgb(192, 192, 192);">. Most NT writers never mention "hell" or even have much on judgment by fire. All of us know what the English word "hell" means, but that meaning derives from medieval sources (and Greco-Roman ideas) more than Scripture..."</span></span></span></span><br /></span></div><div><span class="Apple-style-span" style="color: rgb(90, 90, 90); line-height: 19px;font-family:Arial;font-size:12px;"><br /></span></div><div><br /></div><div><br /></div><a href="http://www.fret12.com/" target="_blank"><img border="0" src="http://www.fret12.com/images/downloads/banner_468_60.gif" /></a>Tremontihttp://www.blogger.com/profile/07864105513148857028noreply@blogger.com3tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2448408599120443038.post-31068922399640045942009-07-18T19:05:00.002+08:002009-07-18T19:29:42.954+08:00Leadership as Embodying<div><span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-size: small;"><span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-family: verdana;">Some reflections <span class="blsp-spelling-corrected" id="SPELLING_ERROR_0">amidst</span> my <span class="blsp-spelling-error" id="SPELLING_ERROR_1">exilic</span> period...</span></span></div><div><span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-size: small;"><span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-family: verdana;"><br /></span></span></div><div><span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-size: small;"><span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-family: verdana;">I've been reading Christopher J. H. Wright's book "<a href="http://www.amazon.com/Knowing-Jesus-Through-Old-Testament/dp/0830816933">Knowing Jesus Through the Old Testament</a>" and it's contents has been cluttering in my mind for the last few weeks. Especially in the area of Jesus embodying God's vision for Israel. C. J. H. Wright is one of my favorite authors (along with another Wright, with the initials N. T.). Along with N. T. Wright, he also gives us a Jesus who embodied God's vision for Israel. As God's chosen messiah, Jesus did not just hold office, but became an encapsulated version of Israel, with the task of fulfilling God's call and will for the nation chosen by him. Jesus did not simply explained the kingdom in a sense but he went a step further, living what the kingdom of God <span class="blsp-spelling-corrected" id="SPELLING_ERROR_2">required</span>. In that way he became the obedient son whereas the called nation failed to do so. Because he was to embody Israel in being the obedient son, he also became their embodied sacrifice. </span></span></div><div><span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-size: small;"><span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-family: verdana;"><br /></span></span></div><div><span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-size: small;"><span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-family: verdana;">I could go on and on with this but let me just stop at that point and divert our thoughts to leadership. Reflecting on this, leadership is in a way a call to embodiment. Embodiment in a sense that the leader becomes what God desires for the church. Leaders, have to encapsulate the vision of God for the community. It is only then that the church with the picture of God's vision incarnated in the life and thoughts of the leader able to grasp God's will and ways. </span></span></div><div><span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-size: small;"><span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-family: verdana;"><br /></span></span></div><div><span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-size: small;"><span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-family: verdana;">This is not to mean that the leader becomes like Jesus, in a way that he is above reproach and <span class="blsp-spelling-corrected" id="SPELLING_ERROR_3">everything</span> he does is God's will. No, not at all. It is actually telling the leader the call upon his life and the kind of responsibility that is placed upon him; being obedient to God in serving the Church in mediating the vision. </span></span></div><div><span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-size: small;"><span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-family: verdana;"><br /></span></span></div><div><span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-size: small;"><span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-family: verdana;">These are at best fragmented thoughts and not a full blown description of what I'm thinking. I would appreciate comments that would help harness where i might lack clarity or erred. But the idea that Leadership is embodiment still stands and i hope to build on this in the future. </span></span></div><div><br /></div><div><br /></div><a href="http://www.fret12.com/" target="_blank"><img border="0" src="http://www.fret12.com/images/downloads/banner_468_60.gif" /></a>Tremontihttp://www.blogger.com/profile/07864105513148857028noreply@blogger.com2tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2448408599120443038.post-5141778464412356652009-07-18T18:47:00.004+08:002009-07-18T19:01:43.170+08:005 Views on the Historical Jesus<a onblur="try {parent.deselectBloggerImageGracefully();} catch(e) {}" href="http://www.sojo.net/images/blog/080718_jesus.jpg"><img style="display:block; margin:0px auto 10px; text-align:center;cursor:pointer; cursor:hand;width: 252px; height: 276px;" src="http://www.sojo.net/images/blog/080718_jesus.jpg" border="0" alt="" /></a><br /><br /><div><span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-size:small;"><span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-family:verdana;">I was alerted by </span></span><a href="http://nijaygupta.wordpress.com/2009/07/17/five-views-on-historical-jesus-book-notice/"><span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-size:small;"><span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-family:verdana;">Nijay K Gustapa</span></span></a><span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-size:small;"><span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-family:verdana;"> upon reading his blog on this upcoming book from IVP entitled "</span></span><a href="http://www.ivpress.com/cgi-ivpress/book.pl/code=3868"><span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-size:small;"><span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-family:verdana;">The Historical Jesus: 5 Views</span></span></a><span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-size:small;"><span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-family:verdana;">". The list of scholars include Robert Price, John Dominic Crossan, Luke Timothy Johnson, James D. G. Dunn and Darrell Bock. This book will definately make it's way to my book shelf when it come out! </span></span></div><div><br /></div><div><br /></div><div><br /></div><a href="http://www.fret12.com/" target="_blank"><img border="0" src="http://www.fret12.com/images/downloads/banner_468_60.gif" /></a>Tremontihttp://www.blogger.com/profile/07864105513148857028noreply@blogger.com1tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2448408599120443038.post-63571306433655513872009-07-17T02:02:00.003+08:002009-07-17T02:21:14.029+08:00A quote from N. T. Wright<div><span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-size: small;"><span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-family: verdana;">I heard Bishop N. T. Wright make this statement about doctrines</span></span></div><div><span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-size: small;"><span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-family: verdana;"><br /></span></span></div><div><span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-size: small;"><span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-family: verdana;"><span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-weight: bold;">"Doctrines often function as portable stories..." </span></span></span></div><div><span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-size: small;"><span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-family: verdana;"><br /></span></span></div><div><span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-size: small;"><span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-family: verdana;">Doctrines are important but they don't tell us the whole story. They <span class="blsp-spelling-corrected" id="SPELLING_ERROR_0">function</span> as portable stories which we unpack from our suitcase (some of these ideas are expressions of stuff Wright said) that tells fragments of the whole. In the way Scot <span class="blsp-spelling-corrected" id="SPELLING_ERROR_1">McKnight</span> would explain it 'wiki-stories'. They are condensed '<span class="blsp-spelling-corrected" id="SPELLING_ERROR_2">statements</span>' that compliment the whole. </span></span></div><div><br /></div><div><br /></div><div><br /></div><a href="http://www.fret12.com/" target="_blank"><img border="0" src="http://www.fret12.com/images/downloads/banner_468_60.gif" /></a>Tremontihttp://www.blogger.com/profile/07864105513148857028noreply@blogger.com2tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2448408599120443038.post-9584208924350133932009-07-11T16:04:00.002+08:002009-07-11T16:32:43.935+08:00Reflections on being Exiled<div><span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-size: small;"><span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-family: verdana;">The year has not ended but there is a resounding theme that keeps banging on the doors of my thoughts, <span class="blsp-spelling-error" id="SPELLING_ERROR_0">mainly</span> the turmoil of being to some extent exiled. I think it is a resounding theme that I keep on going through and one that I seek on reflecting on constantly in many days to come. But one thing is constant when all seems lost, the hopeful expectation of an exodus. </span></span></div><div><span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-size: small;"><span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-family: verdana;"><br /></span></span></div><div><span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-size: small;"><span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-family: verdana;">I find that ministry and theological life in shifting Malaysia, with the parody of old school mentality combined with some western thought patters makes the journey a bumpy one at best. Some parts of Malaysia are clearly <span class="blsp-spelling-error" id="SPELLING_ERROR_1">pre</span>modern in their thought patters and some parts are modern in their thought patterns. The irony is some theological students or <span class="blsp-spelling-error" id="SPELLING_ERROR_2">fulltime</span> workers do not understand these tensions. Many are still working out their sermons, teaching, ministry patterns on worn out methods (not that there is an ideal method) or doing things based on tradition (how things have always been done). Not many see the need of <span class="blsp-spelling-corrected" id="SPELLING_ERROR_3">contextualizing</span> their theological training or biblical preaching and teaching. </span></span></div><div><span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-size: small;"><span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-family: verdana;"><br /></span></span></div><div><span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-size: small;"><span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-family: verdana;">Because of this ministry and theological way of <span class="blsp-spelling-corrected" id="SPELLING_ERROR_4">communicating</span> becomes static to those who have no background on these issues. Now is the minister is not sensitive to this, it does not matter how <span class="blsp-spelling-error" id="SPELLING_ERROR_5">biblically</span> based your teaching might be, you stand to lose a whole generation. </span></span></div><div><span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-size: small;"><span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-family: verdana;"><br /></span></span></div><div><span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-size: small;"><span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-family: verdana;">I think this is the kind of thing that goes around the mind of someone in exile. A parody of anguish and hope. </span></span></div><div><br /></div><div><br /></div><a href="http://www.fret12.com/" target="_blank"><img border="0" src="http://www.fret12.com/images/downloads/banner_468_60.gif" /></a>Tremontihttp://www.blogger.com/profile/07864105513148857028noreply@blogger.com4tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2448408599120443038.post-48651869998770986492009-07-03T22:58:00.003+08:002009-07-04T21:31:13.273+08:00What do you think of expository preaching<div><span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-size: small;"><span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-family: verdana;">I've been thinking about preaching for the past few days and especially in the best method used when preaching. I hear a lot of talk about the importance about expository preaching and <span class="blsp-spelling-error" id="SPELLING_ERROR_0">i'm</span> in agreement with all the emphasis on it. The need for the bible to be expounded and the bible to be taught and preached in church is vital, mainly because we do find that most of the stuff taught are mainly one line verses from the bible or sometimes a passage is read but the sermon and points or the topic have nothing to do with the passage read. So to come up with the method of expository preaching is simply great because the message and points are derived from the exposition of the chosen text. </span></span></div><div><span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-size: small;"><span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-family: verdana;"><br /></span></span></div><div><span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-size: small;"><span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-family: verdana;">But i do have some minor problems with just strictly <span class="blsp-spelling-corrected" id="SPELLING_ERROR_2">sticking</span> on with just expository sermons. One of the reasons being, some passages in the bible are not adequate enough to give meaning to a given topic. The method of expository preaching simply hits a brick wall because it simply has to derive it's points from the passage and when it deviates <span class="blsp-spelling-corrected" id="SPELLING_ERROR_3">everything</span> runs havoc. One has to dig in the bible and look for particular passages so that one can arrive at the juncture where a text would fit in adequately giving justice to the topic. </span></span></div><div><span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-size: small;"><span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-family: verdana;"><br /></span></span></div><div><span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-size: small;"><span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-family: verdana;">Although I place the above as a minor issue, <span class="blsp-spelling-error" id="SPELLING_ERROR_4">i'm</span> not at all against expository preaching. For me, we have to use a variety of methods with the intention of presenting biblical preaching as well as a message that is both relevant and <span class="blsp-spelling-corrected" id="SPELLING_ERROR_5">understandable</span>. Sort of like messages that Jesus gave. I'm not sure if Jesus gave an expository message to his hearers but what we do find him telling stories and <span class="blsp-spelling-corrected" id="SPELLING_ERROR_6">occasionally</span> expounding what we call the OT now. And at times this makes me wonder what method did the <span class="blsp-spelling-corrected" id="SPELLING_ERROR_7">apostles</span> use when they preached to the <span class="blsp-spelling-corrected" id="SPELLING_ERROR_8">congregation</span>? </span></span></div><div><span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-size: small;"><span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-family: verdana;"><br /></span></span></div><div><span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-size: small;"><span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-family: verdana;">So what about you? Do you have any thoughts on expository preaching? Or are there any other ways that a pastor or preacher(teacher) can use for the purpose of preaching?</span></span> </div><div><br /></div><div><br /></div><a href="http://www.fret12.com/" target="_blank"><img border="0" src="http://www.fret12.com/images/downloads/banner_468_60.gif" /></a>Tremontihttp://www.blogger.com/profile/07864105513148857028noreply@blogger.com3tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2448408599120443038.post-23995262830105152252009-06-18T09:27:00.004+08:002009-06-28T22:47:59.091+08:00Sometimes i think<span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-family: verdana;"><span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-size: small;">Sometimes i think, do people really need a spiritual centre in their lives? Because it seems like the bulk of life where people intersect on what's important and real is not really having a spiritual centre. But then the time when one will seek some sort of spiritual centre are through present crisis, mishaps, near death experience or stuff close to the description called 'bad thing happening to people'. It seems to me that the somber reality of coming to grips with thinking about God and spirituality is when we are sucked dry and looking at reality with enlightened eyes. But when all is well we forget the important stuff, when we have </span></span><span class="blsp-spelling-corrected" id="SPELLING_ERROR_0"><span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-family: verdana;"><span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-size: small;">everything</span></span></span><span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-family: verdana;"><span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-size: small;"> we feel </span></span><span class="blsp-spelling-corrected" id="SPELLING_ERROR_1"><span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-family: verdana;"><span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-size: small;">invincible</span></span></span><span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-family: verdana;"><span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-size: small;">, when we are rich beyond measure we feel </span></span><span class="blsp-spelling-corrected" id="SPELLING_ERROR_2"><span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-family: verdana;"><span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-size: small;">powerful</span></span></span><span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-family: verdana;"><span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-size: small;">. But all of these are just vain projections of what we think we need. They muffle out an important </span></span><span class="blsp-spelling-corrected" id="SPELLING_ERROR_3"><span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-family: verdana;"><span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-size: small;">dimension</span></span></span><span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-family: verdana;"><span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-size: small;"> to our life. Well it's just something i thought about. <br /></span></span><br /><br /><a href="http://www.fret12.com/" target="_blank"><img src="http://www.fret12.com/images/downloads/banner_468_60.gif" border="0" /></a>Tremontihttp://www.blogger.com/profile/07864105513148857028noreply@blogger.com1tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2448408599120443038.post-83467358142032555432009-06-17T08:39:00.004+08:002009-06-17T17:29:46.325+08:00What works best for you?<a onblur="try {parent.deselectBloggerImageGracefully();} catch(e) {}" href="http://bwzone.files.wordpress.com/2009/03/blogging.jpg"><img style="margin: 0px auto 10px; display: block; text-align: center; cursor: pointer; width: 351px; height: 246px;" src="http://bwzone.files.wordpress.com/2009/03/blogging.jpg" alt="" border="0" /></a><br /><span style=";font-family:verdana;font-size:85%;" >If you are into blogging I'd like to know what works best for you, <span class="blsp-spelling-error" id="SPELLING_ERROR_0">pre</span>-written posts and scheduled posts or a daily post? You can read a better description on this matter <a href="http://www.problogger.net/archives/2009/06/17/pre-written-and-scheduled-posts-vs-timely-posts/">here</a>.<br /><br />I have written and published some 200+ posts already but I have not tried doing <span class="blsp-spelling-error" id="SPELLING_ERROR_1">pre</span>-written and scheduled blog posts fully yet. I've done it a few times (by that mean a couple of times, say less then ten tries) but I haven't gotten the hang of it yet. I go through the writing process of blogging on a more daily approach at the moment. Something comes up in my mind and that somehow is constructed into a post. But for regularity sake, it would not be a good idea to stick to this routine to expand my blog in the long run. Especially when <span class="blsp-spelling-error" id="SPELLING_ERROR_2">i'll</span> be in seminary soon. So <span class="blsp-spelling-error" id="SPELLING_ERROR_3">i'll</span> see how blogging works out with studies. Here is to a new beginning!</span><br /><br /><br /><br /><a href="http://www.fret12.com/" target="_blank"><img src="http://www.fret12.com/images/downloads/banner_468_60.gif" border="0" /></a>Tremontihttp://www.blogger.com/profile/07864105513148857028noreply@blogger.com4tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2448408599120443038.post-69615865337773119432009-06-15T10:14:00.003+08:002009-06-15T13:59:36.192+08:00Work<a onblur="try {parent.deselectBloggerImageGracefully();} catch(e) {}" href="http://boingboing.net/images/hatfactorydfjgn.jpg"><img style="margin: 0px auto 10px; display: block; text-align: center; cursor: pointer; width: 450px; height: 338px;" src="http://boingboing.net/images/hatfactorydfjgn.jpg" alt="" border="0" /></a><br /><span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-size: small;"><span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-family: verdana;">Work, according to Ben Witherington on his latest blogpost </span></span><a href="http://blog.beliefnet.com/bibleandculture/2009/06/men-at-work---a-biblical-approach.html"><span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-size: small;"><span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-family: verdana;">here</span></span></a><span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-size: small;"><span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-family: verdana;">, has been largely neglected by theologians in terms of a biblical understanding or a christian approach to it. In the opening line of his post he states that "While you may be amazed at this, it is nonetheless true that when you survey the works of Biblical theology available to us, very seldom does the subject of a theology of work come up."<br /><br />The common thread of thought that I often hear from Christians is that there is a sense of what is considered work that God ordains and work that is of a secular nature. With this kind of thought infiltrating a lot of the thought patterns of Christians, regular jobs that people are involved in which takes in a large part of their time and life are viewed as unimportant. But of course not all Christians have this mentality but I fear a large majority subscribes to this view of work.<br /><br /></span></span><div><span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-size: small;"><span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-family: verdana;">Anyway I hope the link to the post by Ben Witherington is helpful to give some explanation to this. This post is also a sample to a book that Witherington is planning to release on the subject of work. It should be one to look out for! <br /></span></span><br /><br /><a href="http://www.fret12.com/" target="_blank"><img src="http://www.fret12.com/images/downloads/banner_468_60.gif" border="0" /></a></div>Tremontihttp://www.blogger.com/profile/07864105513148857028noreply@blogger.com1tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2448408599120443038.post-62382209366885181962009-06-11T12:50:00.006+08:002009-06-11T13:08:53.226+08:00Books for the Journey<a onblur="try {parent.deselectBloggerImageGracefully();} catch(e) {}" href="http://www.ccel.org/pix/books.jpeg"><img style="margin: 0px auto 10px; display: block; text-align: center; cursor: pointer; width: 440px; height: 219px;" src="http://www.ccel.org/pix/books.jpeg" alt="" border="0" /></a><br /><div><span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-size:small;"><span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-family:verdana;">I need some help in deciding this, so i would value your comments. I'm 95% certain that I'll be attending seminary to pursue my theological studies in the coming weeks. Why 95% you may ask? I still have to turn up for an interview with a seminary representative nextweek so I guess that accounts for the other 5% ammount of 'I might not make it'. But nontheless I'm positive I'll be accepted. </span></span></div><div><span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-size:small;"><span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-family:verdana;"><br /></span></span></div><div><span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-size:small;"><span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-family:verdana;">So here is my question. I am a book lover and to part with my books, that's like taking me off life support. Because I wont get the luxury of bringing my collection of books with me, I'm wondering what type of books would be helpful to add in my suitcase if I go? Knowing that you might not know what books I have on my shelf I'll ask the question in a general note, </span></span><span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-weight: bold;"><span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-size:small;"><span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-family:verdana;">"If you wre packing to another place to study theology and have to decide on the right books for the journey what books would you pack with you based on your book collection?"</span></span></span></div><div><br /></div><div><br /></div><a href="http://www.fret12.com/" target="_blank"><img src="http://www.fret12.com/images/downloads/banner_468_60.gif" border="0" /></a>Tremontihttp://www.blogger.com/profile/07864105513148857028noreply@blogger.com9tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2448408599120443038.post-70027439002572614122009-06-11T08:21:00.004+08:002009-06-11T09:42:10.888+08:00Not Even God...when Disappointed<a onblur="try {parent.deselectBloggerImageGracefully();} catch(e) {}" href="http://www.historydirect.co.uk/covers/9780802860408.jpg"><img style="margin: 0px auto 10px; display: block; text-align: center; cursor: pointer; width: 132px; height: 200px;" src="http://www.historydirect.co.uk/covers/9780802860408.jpg" alt="" border="0" /></a><br /><span style="font-family:verdana;font-size:85%;">I keep coming back to the chapter "Bonhoeffer on Disappointment" in a book edited by Brian Rosner entitled "<a href="http://www.amazon.com/Consolations-Theology-Brian-Rosner/dp/0802860400/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&s=books&qid=1244683997&sr=1-1">Consolations of Theology</a>". That particular chapter (the one i noted above) is the one that Rosner wrote and it was brilliantly done as he writes how Bonhoeffer dealt with disappointment. I'll probably do a post on that chapter as a whole somewhere in the distant or near future but I'd like to draw our attention on this particular passage from the book.<br /><br />On a subheading that reads "Popular Strategies" on dealing with disappointment Rosner </span><span style="font-family: verdana;font-size:85%;" >mentions four ways in which people in general deal with it. The first being 'wallowing in regret' followed by 'seeking to curb desire', the third 'seeking a substitute' and the last being 'giving up hope for the thought of hope in the afterlife'. But as</span><span style="font-family: verdana;font-size:85%;" > Rosner writes, Bonhoeffer never resorted to these popular ways in dealing with disappointment.<br /><br />On the third popular startegies on dealing with disappointment, as i mentioned above, Bonhoeffer did not cave in and followed the popular way on dealing with disappointment, in that he did not seek a substitute to find momentary happiness as a consolation for unattained or unfulfilled desire or longings. Rosner writes "Seeking compensation elsewhere when our desires are frustrated also seems logical enough."(116) I find this true of how we ussually deal with disappointment, we might have a compulsion to buy things, fill ourselves with activities that are filled with 'fun', in a temporary way to combat a wounded heart. Read the following exerp from Rosner here which blew me away on what Bonhoeffer thought about this:<br /><br /><span style="font-style: italic;font-family:arial;" >"With respect to seperation from love ones, aware of the pain that he may be prolonging, Bonhoeffer nontheless avers: "Some people...find compensation in short-lived pleasures that offer redier satisfactions...When we are forcibly seperated for any considarable length of time from those we love, we simply cannot, as most can, get some cheap substitute through other people- I don't mean because of moral considerations...we have to suffer unspeakably from the seperation, and feel the longing till it almost makes us ill. That is the only way...in which we can preserve unimpaired our relationship with our loved ones." </span><span style="font-weight: bold; font-style: italic;font-family:arial;" >He insists that "nothing can make up for the absence of someone whom we love." Not even God: "It is nonsense to say that God fills the gap; he doesn't fill it, but on the contrary, he keeps it empty and so help us to keep alive our former communion with each other, even in the cost of pain.</span><span style="font-style: italic;font-family:arial;" >"" (116)</span><br /><br />I wrote this in the margins of my book after reading this passage, a spur in the moment kind of thing: This third point embraces pain (longing) to the fullest/ at it's fullest level. There is absolutely no compensation for our longings...in the end they (our longings) become a drive in us (in a way that it pushes us).<br /><br />What do you think of the exerpt above from the book? Or particularly the statement that said <span style="font-weight: bold;">"It is nonsense to say that God fills the gap; he doesn't fill it, but on the contrary, he keeps it empty and so help us to keep alive our former communion with each other, even in the cost of pain.</span>"</span><br /><br /><br /><a href="http://www.fret12.com/" target="_blank"><img src="http://www.fret12.com/images/downloads/banner_468_60.gif" border="0" /></a>Tremontihttp://www.blogger.com/profile/07864105513148857028noreply@blogger.com0tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2448408599120443038.post-74316526768969719842009-06-06T11:05:00.006+08:002009-06-07T21:02:15.557+08:00Thoughts on Keller<a onblur="try {parent.deselectBloggerImageGracefully();} catch(e) {}" href="http://jonathanignacio.files.wordpress.com/2009/03/tim-keller.jpg"><img style="margin: 0px auto 10px; display: block; text-align: center; cursor: pointer; width: 398px; height: 223px;" src="http://jonathanignacio.files.wordpress.com/2009/03/tim-keller.jpg" alt="" border="0" /></a><br /><span style=";font-family:verdana;font-size:85%;" >There's an <a href="http://www.christianitytoday.com/ct/2009/june/15.20.html?start=1">article</a> on Tim Keller and how he started in NYC. Quite an interesting read and because of that it made me think as well as gave a spark of excitement and enthusiasm inside me. An enthusiasm for ministry as well as the vigorous task of plunging into scholarship and the real world. I really respect this pastor, although i'm not so much a fan of the circle he hangs out with (Reformed) but I find Keller to be an ideal representation of what Reformed should be. Well it's just my opinion that is. Oh and he like's Wright's "Resurrection of the Son of God" (that's just an added bonus to why i like this guy, well this may this had something to do with it.) . Let me just direct your attention to two quotes i took from the artile that made me think (quotes are in italics):<br /><br /><span style="font-style: italic; font-family: arial;">Tim found Manhattan non-Christians amazingly, sometimes naïvely, curious. Though the borough's 1.6 million people were used to religious diversity, many had never talked to an evangelical. <span style="font-weight: bold;">Tim's interest in art and music was an indispensable gift in communicating. His omnivorous reading also helped</span>. New York is a city of high achievers to whom,<span style="font-weight: bold;"> Keller says, it made sense that a minister should be a scholar of ancient texts, exposing them to ideas and information beyond their experience</span>. They needed someone who spoke their language, though, and Keller was a quick learner. "I saw New York mentor Tim," Sherman says. "There's something about the density of the city, the way your lives get intertwined with a secular culture."</span><br /><br />One of the things that caught my attention here is the zeal to learn as well as being open to stuff people in general are exposed to (music, arts, etc). Pastors in the context that i live in are especially weak in these area. Again let me say that this observation does not apply to all Malaysia but the small place where i call home. So I hope that might avert some offense on my part, hopefully. Pastors here are respected to some degree (in spiritual matters) but that is about it. And pastors are those people who 'abstain' from the secular world. An example of this is those in ministry are 'forbidden' to hear any form of secular music, only the praise and worship kind are acceptable. There were times when books, the Harry Potter series or Twilight series, were publicly denounced by the church and calling for parent not to allow their children read them. There are far worse case scenarios where pastors or those in ministry were only supposed to wear slacks only and no jeans! I'm not sure if this is still ongoing but I think it still applies in some places.<br /><br />Because of constrains like this pastors are hedged from knowing how to approach the 'secular' world or better how to engage in the world. And with that also the way a pastor might communicate to people might have a negative effect as well. Negative in a sense that people engaged in the world cannot understand terms used by pastors, hence there is a sort of communication breakdown. Because of communication breakdown, teachings and preachings are a dread to people in the pews.<br /><br />So, what can pastors do to maintain proper communication that connect speak to people? Simply get immersed in culture, get to know what people are into, what people like for that matter. Now I'm not advocating that pastors go watch porn because people are into that. Clearly that is not what i mean! My advice to pastors is don't be too paranoid of things in the world-music, literature, art and other stuff. Learn to be curious and most of all be a learner. If you want people to know anything about the bible, why not you take time to learn the stuff that interest them?<br /><br />Take Mark Robers who did a post on the Twilight novels that his daughter reads. Take some advice from him. Read it <a href="http://markdroberts.com/?p=857">here</a>.<br /><br /><span style="font-style: italic; font-family: arial;">Sherman relates Keller's vision to the apostle Paul. "Paul had this sense of, I really should go talk to Caesar. He's not above caring for Onesimus the slave, but somebody should go to talk to Caesar. When you go to New York, that's what you're doing. Somebody should talk to the editorial committee of The New York Times; somebody should talk to Barnard, to Columbia. Somebody should talk to Wall Street."</span><br /><br />Reading this gave some boost of confidence which at times is sadly not evident to pastors or fulltime workers. A lot of pastors tend to be wimpy probably because they are not well versed in things their secular church members who have degrees to prove their credentials. This might be one reason but I think there are other reasons as well. But reading Keller and what he says about apostle Paul really pumped me up. That's the kind of confidance i want to have if i were a pastor or want other pastors here to have.<br /><br />I have to say that as a student of theology, immersed in my culture, i find the state of embracing ministry fulltime to have a bad effect on my confidance. I see things have to change here and the mentality for that matter simply has to change. Well these are simply some thought that came to me when i read the artile. It lighted up my soul. So my mind is still fresh with it! </span><br /><br /><a href="http://www.fret12.com/" target="_blank"><img src="http://www.fret12.com/images/downloads/banner_468_60.gif" border="0" /></a>Tremontihttp://www.blogger.com/profile/07864105513148857028noreply@blogger.com0tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2448408599120443038.post-70123290299965922232009-06-05T12:52:00.004+08:002009-06-05T13:35:13.010+08:00Deciding at the crossroads<a onblur="try {parent.deselectBloggerImageGracefully();} catch(e) {}" href="http://www.gbcyouth.org/sh/images/crossroad.jpg"><img style="margin: 0px auto 10px; display: block; text-align: center; cursor: pointer; width: 359px; height: 443px;" src="http://www.gbcyouth.org/sh/images/crossroad.jpg" alt="" border="0" /></a><span style="font-family: verdana;font-size:85%;" ><br />Life would turn to some new transition soon in the coming weeks or months it seems and it feels like many things are still left unanswered at the moment. It makes me want to scream with motions of pulling my hair out of my scalp if i could or would. But I'd pass up the opportunity of the hair pulling for now. I still love my hair so I'd leave that to my imagination instead. Right now I need to make some decisions and with any step I would choose to take there would be some kind of sacrifice and losing to be experienced.<br /><br />At the juncture of uncertainty, how does one know God's will in terms of making decisions? What is God's will and how do we know which is God's will. Some say that we wait and pray and if we have peace on the matter of choosing a path that would be validated as God's will. There might be some truth in this. But others advise to just do something and God will guide. Like something I read from Erwin McManus. There is truth in this way as well.<br /><br />But i would like to know how do you make decisions and know that if it is God's will for you?</span><br /><br /><a href="http://www.fret12.com/" target="_blank"><img src="http://www.fret12.com/images/downloads/banner_468_60.gif" border="0" /></a>Tremontihttp://www.blogger.com/profile/07864105513148857028noreply@blogger.com3tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2448408599120443038.post-45423591218962498702009-05-29T18:26:00.002+08:002009-05-29T18:29:25.549+08:00Richard Hays speaks at the Junaluska Peace Conference, February 1, 2008<span style="font-family: verdana;font-size:85%;" ><object width="320" height="265"><param name="movie" value="http://www.youtube.com/v/7PUox3sFqag&hl=en&fs=1"></param><param name="allowFullScreen" value="true"></param><param name="allowscriptaccess" value="always"></param><embed src="http://www.youtube.com/v/7PUox3sFqag&hl=en&fs=1" type="application/x-shockwave-flash" allowscriptaccess="always" allowfullscreen="true" width="320" height="265"></embed></object><br /><br /><object width="320" height="265"><param name="movie" value="http://www.youtube.com/v/Bz_75TWQAjo&hl=en&fs=1"></param><param name="allowFullScreen" value="true"></param><param name="allowscriptaccess" value="always"></param><embed src="http://www.youtube.com/v/Bz_75TWQAjo&hl=en&fs=1" type="application/x-shockwave-flash" allowscriptaccess="always" allowfullscreen="true" width="320" height="265"></embed></object></span><br /><br /><a href="http://www.fret12.com/" target="_blank"><img src="http://www.fret12.com/images/downloads/banner_468_60.gif" border="0" /></a>Tremontihttp://www.blogger.com/profile/07864105513148857028noreply@blogger.com2tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2448408599120443038.post-69334036945901353132009-05-23T18:20:00.003+08:002009-05-23T20:42:07.669+08:00The God I Don't Understand- Chapter 1<span style="font-family: verdana;font-size:85%;" >Let's begin <span style="font-weight: bold;">Chapter 1: The Mystery of Evil</span> of Christopher Wright's book with some thoughts and reflection.<br /><br />If you're into comics and superheroes, maybe some would agree with me that the first series of Batman movies (those that stared Michael Keaton, Val <span class="blsp-spelling-error" id="SPELLING_ERROR_0">Kilmer</span> and George <span class="blsp-spelling-error" id="SPELLING_ERROR_1">Clooney</span>) has to be said as a bad adaptation of a superhero character to the big screen. But come 'Batman Begins', I was totally blown away by the storyline. I especially like how Bruce Wayne evolved into the mysterious Batman. It was one of the ultimate origins story of a superhero adapted to the big screen and with that minimizes the <span class="blsp-spelling-corrected" id="SPELLING_ERROR_2">mysterious</span> character that superheroes have.<br /><br />But as for evil as explained by C.H.Wright in his book, it's origin is somewhat difficult to pin point. I've heard people use texts like Isaiah 14:4-21 and <span class="blsp-spelling-corrected" id="SPELLING_ERROR_3">Ezekiel</span> 28:1-17 as <span class="blsp-spelling-corrected" id="SPELLING_ERROR_4">reference</span> points to how evil or rather Lucifer's fall from grace came about. On these two texts C.H.Wright says that "they were written originally to describe the defeat and death of historical human kings, and so it is a dubious exercise to build detailed doctrinal statements about the devil or the "underworld" upon them." (40) But although that may be the <span class="blsp-spelling-corrected" id="SPELLING_ERROR_5">recurring</span> fact about the two bible passages "they have a spiritual counterpart that is <span class="blsp-spelling-corrected" id="SPELLING_ERROR_6">recognizably</span> satanic." (40) For a more clearer description of Satan and his demons read Jude 6, 2 Peter 2:4 and Revelation 12:7-9.<br /><br />So, what are we to make of trying to understand evil and let alone it's origin to get a better understanding on things? For C.H.Wright, "evil does not make sense. "Sense" is a part of our <span class="blsp-spelling-corrected" id="SPELLING_ERROR_7">rationality</span> that in itself is part of God's creation and God's image in us. So evil can have no sense, since sense itself is a good thing." (42) Evil is not something that has any part of anything God created so therefore evil is "an intruder, an alien <span class="blsp-spelling-corrected" id="SPELLING_ERROR_8">presence</span> that has made itself almost (but not finally) inextricably "at home"." (42) Because Evil is foreign it makes no sense and should stay at the point of making no sense.<br /><br />I must admit that I am frustrated with not being able to understand evil and it's origin and especially when C.H.Wright tell us to park at the space where we simply embrace the fact that evil should not be understood and that it simply makes no sense. But I do see the wisdom in taking this slant to making amends to our <span class="blsp-spelling-corrected" id="SPELLING_ERROR_9">brains</span> that always seeks understanding.<br /><br />C.H.Wright goes on to say that "...God...has chosen not to explain the <span class="blsp-spelling-error" id="SPELLING_ERROR_10">orgin</span> of evil, but rather wants to concentrate my attention on what he has done to defeat and destroy it." (43) But this does not negate our desperate emotions to ask deep and frustrating questions on the mystery of evil. We are all the more <span class="blsp-spelling-corrected" id="SPELLING_ERROR_11">encouraged</span> to do so.<br /><br />Evil will always have the capacity to pry our emotions out in the open but we are to take comfort that we are not meant to understand it but to work with God in trusting what he did and what he is doing to defeat it. </span><br /><br /><br /><a href="http://www.fret12.com/" target="_blank"><img src="http://www.fret12.com/images/downloads/banner_468_60.gif" border="0" /></a>Tremontihttp://www.blogger.com/profile/07864105513148857028noreply@blogger.com2tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2448408599120443038.post-21807806173996605582009-05-21T13:39:00.003+08:002009-05-21T13:54:30.941+08:00Manglish<span style="font-family: verdana;font-size:85%;" >English is a sometimes common language here in Malaysia. I say sometimes because although many Malaysians understand a substantial amount of the language, it has mutated as well. Some have called it 'Manglish'. That is a generalization in the sense of terms I might add because there are various categories of this so called 'Manglish'. It is safe to say that we have borrowed the English language and made it our own. As in what the American Idol judges always applaud those contestants that make the song their own, we Malaysian have done so with language, making English our own, although I'm not sure anyone would rave about it. Anyways here is one version of the 'Manglish' I was talking about. </span><br /><br /><object width="320" height="265"><param name="movie" value="http://www.youtube.com/v/Os03eNNgurs&hl=en&fs=1"></param><param name="allowFullScreen" value="true"></param><param name="allowscriptaccess" value="always"></param><embed src="http://www.youtube.com/v/Os03eNNgurs&hl=en&fs=1" type="application/x-shockwave-flash" allowscriptaccess="always" allowfullscreen="true" width="320" height="265"></embed></object><br /><br /><br /><a href="http://www.fret12.com/" target="_blank"><img src="http://www.fret12.com/images/downloads/banner_468_60.gif" border="0" /></a>Tremontihttp://www.blogger.com/profile/07864105513148857028noreply@blogger.com1tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2448408599120443038.post-60057051666986547922009-05-20T20:12:00.004+08:002009-05-20T23:54:29.628+08:00The God I Don't Understand-Introduction<span style="font-family: verdana;font-size:85%;" >I should state that I was drawn by the book because stuff happening in my personal life that makes me echo the title of the book "<a href="http://www.amazon.com/God-Dont-Understand-Reflections-Questions/dp/0310275466">The God I Don't Understand</a>". But i have to say that I have always been drawn to books that revolve around this type of subject matter, books like "<a href="http://www.amazon.com/Disappointment-God-Philip-Yancey/dp/0310517818/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&s=books&qid=1242822038&sr=1-1">Disappointment with God</a>" come to mind by Yancey. These types of books explore these mysteries and questions that our heart longs in seeking answers to them. We all seek reasonable answers i might add. In bible school, i tried my take on the question but I was way off target, come to think of it. But this question keeps on nagging every time the belief in God is put up front. The question about evil and how God, if he is all good would allow suffering.<br /><br />I thought I'd try something different with this particular book. After I've read a chapter, I'd blog about it. So some sort of experimentation going on here. I'd probably post something that really gripped me rather than do a blow by blow exposition on a chapter.<br /><br />Christopher Wright who wrote the book wrote at the end of the introduction part of the book about what he biblical precedent he hopes to archive for this book, and he uses Psalms 73 to explain this. The psalm starts on a positive manner affirming Israel's faith in God (v.1) but moves on to the author's struggle with God's ways of handling things (v.2-14).<br /><br />In the middle part of the psalm Wright explains that the author does two things. First, he explains that the psalmists although raises perplexing questions he does not go overboard for fear of "betraying God's people" (22). The second, as Wright explains again, the author of the psalm "goes to worship in the house of God with God's people. There, in the context of worship, his perspective is changed and he sees things in the light of God's ultimate will and moral government." Wright further states again that the psalmist "lets us hear both his struggling lack of understanding and his restored, worshiping faith." (23)<br /><br />The part that caught my attention was when Wright mentions in the middle part of the psalm, namely the first half that is verse 15. This part raises wisdom in how we are supposed to carry out our hard fought questions especially on a public platform; books, blogs, sermons, teaching. Write states that<br /><br />"There is a <span style="font-weight: bold; font-style: italic;">proper pastoral limit to the voicing of protest</span>- as God reminded Jeremiah on one occasion (<span class="blsp-spelling-error" id="SPELLING_ERROR_0">Jer</span> 15:19) and as Isaiah warned his listeners (Isa 45:9-13). I have prayed constantly in working on this book that i may not transgress that limit. I want to explore questions that the bible itself wrestles with, but i want to build up God's people, not betray their faith." (22) (emphasis mine)<br /><br />I think this does serve as a reminder for us especially in the <span class="blsp-spelling-error" id="SPELLING_ERROR_1">blogspehere</span> when we are relaying views, not <span class="blsp-spelling-corrected" id="SPELLING_ERROR_2">necessarily</span> on evil, <span class="blsp-spelling-error" id="SPELLING_ERROR_3">suffering</span> and God but on any other subject matter for that sake. But at points though, when i think of the psalms, there are some that push the limit, like the one where the psalmist wants God to dash the heads babies of the <span class="blsp-spelling-corrected" id="SPELLING_ERROR_4">Babylonians</span>. But it does make me ask what is a pastoral limit to voicing protest? Protest in a sense that asks God some deep questions on why he is not acting up to who we believe and learn that he is. </span><br /><br /><br /><br /><a href="http://www.fret12.com/" target="_blank"><img src="http://www.fret12.com/images/downloads/banner_468_60.gif" border="0" /></a>Tremontihttp://www.blogger.com/profile/07864105513148857028noreply@blogger.com2